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		<title>Paul Herring: /* Netmum&#039;s survey */</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;span dir=&quot;auto&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;Netmum&amp;#039;s survey&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 20:18, 11 October 2012&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&#039;diff-marker&#039;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;{{quote|47% are worried about the effect of drugs and alcohol on their lives}}&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&#039;diff-marker&#039;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;{{quote|47% are worried about the effect of drugs and alcohol on their lives}}&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&#039;diff-marker&#039;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&#039;diff-marker&#039;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&#039;diff-marker&#039;&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;If they&amp;#039;re that worried, then they should do something about it.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&#039;diff-marker&#039;&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;If they&amp;#039;re that worried, then they should do something about it&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;. Themselves. Rather than expecting others, especially The Government, to do it for them&lt;/ins&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&#039;diff-marker&#039;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;{{quote|29% of mothers, and 30% of their partners drink more alcohol a week than the recommended amount}}&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&#039;diff-marker&#039;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;{{quote|29% of mothers, and 30% of their partners drink more alcohol a week than the recommended amount}}&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;

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		<author><name>Paul Herring</name></author>
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		<title>Paul Herring: Created page with &quot;Over the Limit: The Truth about Families and Alcohol is a report by the fake-charity 4children({{UKCharity|288285}}) (of £...&quot;</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/w/images/2/2e/SubstanceAbuse_Report_FINAL_v2.pdf&quot; class=&quot;internal&quot; title=&quot;SubstanceAbuse Report FINAL v2.pdf&quot;&gt;Over the Limit: The Truth about Families and Alcohol&lt;/a&gt; is a report by the fake-charity &lt;a href=&quot;/w/index.php?title=4children&amp;amp;action=edit&amp;amp;redlink=1&quot; class=&quot;new&quot; title=&quot;4children (page does not exist)&quot;&gt;4children&lt;/a&gt;({{UKCharity|288285}}) (of £...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[media:SubstanceAbuse_Report_FINAL_v2.pdf‎|Over the Limit: The Truth about Families and Alcohol]] is a report by the fake-charity [[4children]]({{UKCharity|288285}}) (of £12.8M income in the year ending 2011, over £9.5M came from the tax-payer in the form of grants from councils.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/Accounts/Ends85%5C0000288285_ac_20110331_e_c.pdf 4children Year ending 31 Mar 2011] pdf page 16 - Charity Commission&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Key findings ==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Netmum&amp;#039;s survey ===&lt;br /&gt;
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Ignoring the self-selecting nature of any free-for-all survey on the internet - especially on netmums - and considering only 176 people took part:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|85% of people think families in the UK need more help with drugs and/or alcohol}}&lt;br /&gt;
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85% of people shouldn&amp;#039;t be concerned with how others live their lives apparently.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|47% are worried about the effect of drugs and alcohol on their lives}}&lt;br /&gt;
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If they&amp;#039;re that worried, then they should do something about it.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|29% of mothers, and 30% of their partners drink more alcohol a week than the recommended amount}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Since the recommended amount was a number [[Alcohol_Units#Daily.2FWeekly_limits|plucked out of thin air]] and the number differs [[Alcohol_Units#World|depending on which country]] you ask, this means nothing.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|41% of people know one or more families that need help with alcohol or drug use}}&lt;br /&gt;
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... in their opinion. Presumably this is a subset of the 85% of busybodies mentioned above.&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Comres survey ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Marginally more reasonable than something from netmums, with a sample size of 575...&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|8% of parents in the UK, equating to around 2.6 million parents and at least 1.5 million households, say they have taken illegal drugs}}&lt;br /&gt;
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No breakdown of what drugs were consumed. Non-prescription Temazepam? Cannabis? Crack cocaine or crystal meth?&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|7% of parents in the UK, equating to around 2.4 million parents and at least 1.3 million households, say they have taken legal highs}}&lt;br /&gt;
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So that&amp;#039;s a little irrelevant then.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|Three times as many fathers (13%) as mothers (4%) say they drink every day&lt;br /&gt;
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Four times as many of those in the richest households (social grouo[sic] AB) (11%) as the poorest households (social group DE) (3%) drink every day}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Again, irrelevant.&lt;br /&gt;
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And so on, and so on, with the vast majority of the conclusions coming from the Comres survey. They do, however, conveniently pull the &lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|62% of children who were subject to care proceedings were from families with parental alcohol misuse}}&lt;br /&gt;
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number from [[Adamson &amp;amp; Templeton (2012)]] - a report seemingly based on nothing but guesswork.&lt;br /&gt;
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==References==&lt;br /&gt;
{{Reflist}}&lt;br /&gt;
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		<author><name>Paul Herring</name></author>
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