Cost of smokers - Revision history

Paul Herring: /* From 6pm 27 October 2021 */

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From 6pm 27 October 2021

Paul Herring: /* From 6pm 27 October 2021 */

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From 6pm 27 October 2021

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from 6pm 27 October 2021

Paul Herring: /* from 6pm 27 October 2021 */

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from 6pm 27 October 2021

Paul Herring: /* Cost to the NHS */

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Cost to the NHS

Paul Herring: /* 2020/2020 from Nov 2020 */

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2020/2020 from Nov 2020

Paul Herring: /* Cost to the NHS */

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Cost to the NHS

Paul Herring: /* Littering */

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Littering

Paul Herring at 20:41, 9 May 2018

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Paul Herring: /* 2012/2013 */

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2012/2013

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 === From 6pm 27 October 2021 ===
-Excise on tobacco in the UK for will be<ref>[https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/rates-and-allowances-excise-duty-tobacco-duty/excise-duty-tobacco-duty-rates  Tobacco Products Duty rates] - HMRC Oct '21 [https://archive.ph/wip/nYcYq archive.is]</ref> equal to 16.5% of the (pre-excise, pre-tax) retail price '''plus''' an equivalent £262.90 per 1,000 cigarettes (£5.258 per 20.) On top of this 20% VAT is charged. On a £9.75 packet of Pall Mall Shift Blue Kingsize from Tesco for example, the net cost is £1.17 Excise £6.41 and VAT £1.63 for a total tax-take of £8.03 (82%):
+Excise on tobacco in the UK for will be<ref>[https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/rates-and-allowances-excise-duty-tobacco-duty/excise-duty-tobacco-duty-rates  Tobacco Products Duty rates] - HMRC Oct '21 [https://archive.ph/wip/nYcYq archive.is]</ref> equal to 16.5% of the (pre-excise, pre-tax) retail price '''plus''' an equivalent £262.90 per 1,000 cigarettes (£5.258 per 20.) On top of this 20% VAT is charged. On a £9.75 packet of Pall Mall Shift Blue Kingsize from Tesco<ref>[https://archive.ph/Bax6T Archived Tesco website]</ref> for example, the net cost is £1.17, Excise £6.41, and VAT £1.63 for a total tax-take of £8.03 (82%):
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 === From 6pm 27 October 2021 ===
-Excise on tobacco in the UK for will be<ref>[https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/rates-and-allowances-excise-duty-tobacco-duty/excise-duty-tobacco-duty-rates] - HMRC Oct '21 [https://archive.ph/wip/nYcYq archive.is]</ref> equal to 16.5% of the (pre-excise, pre-tax) retail price '''plus''' an equivalent £262.90 per 1,000 cigarettes (£5.258 per 20.) On top of this 20% VAT is charged. On a £9.75 packet of Pall Mall Shift Blue Kingsize from Tesco for example, the net cost is £1.17 Excise £6.41 and VAT £1.63 for a total tax-take of £8.03 (82%):
+Excise on tobacco in the UK for will be<ref>[https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/rates-and-allowances-excise-duty-tobacco-duty/excise-duty-tobacco-duty-rates  Tobacco Products Duty rates] - HMRC Oct '21 [https://archive.ph/wip/nYcYq archive.is]</ref> equal to 16.5% of the (pre-excise, pre-tax) retail price '''plus''' an equivalent £262.90 per 1,000 cigarettes (£5.258 per 20.) On top of this 20% VAT is charged. On a £9.75 packet of Pall Mall Shift Blue Kingsize from Tesco for example, the net cost is £1.17 Excise £6.41 and VAT £1.63 for a total tax-take of £8.03 (82%):
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 | Formula||=A2-A2*(100/120)||=A2-B2||=5.258+(C2-C2*(100/116.5))||=C2-D2||=B2+D2||=F2/A2
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-| £5.50||£0.917||£4.583||£3.997||£0.586||£4.914||89%
+| £9.75||£1.625||£8.125||£6.409||£1.716||£8.034||82%
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-=== from 6pm 27 October 2021 ===
+=== From 6pm 27 October 2021 ===
-Excise on tobacco in the UK for will be<ref>[https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/rates-and-allowances-excise-duty-tobacco-duty/excise-duty-tobacco-duty-rates] - HMRC Oct '21 [[archive.is | https://archive.ph/wip/nYcYq]]</ref> equal to 16.5% of the (pre-excise, pre-tax) retail price '''plus''' an equivalent £262.90 per 1,000 cigarettes (£5.258 per 20.) On top of this 20% VAT is charged. On a £9.75 packet of Pall Mall Shift Blue Kingsize from Tesco for example, the net cost is £1.17 Excise £6.41 and VAT £1.63 for a total tax-take of £8.03 (82%):
+Excise on tobacco in the UK for will be<ref>[https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/rates-and-allowances-excise-duty-tobacco-duty/excise-duty-tobacco-duty-rates] - HMRC Oct '21 [https://archive.ph/wip/nYcYq archive.is]</ref> equal to 16.5% of the (pre-excise, pre-tax) retail price '''plus''' an equivalent £262.90 per 1,000 cigarettes (£5.258 per 20.) On top of this 20% VAT is charged. On a £9.75 packet of Pall Mall Shift Blue Kingsize from Tesco for example, the net cost is £1.17 Excise £6.41 and VAT £1.63 for a total tax-take of £8.03 (82%):
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 Income for 2011/12 (the year prior to these figures) were £9.5bn from Excise and £2.6bn from VAT<ref>[http://www.the-tma.org.uk/tma-publications-research/facts-figures/tax-revenue-from-tobacco/ Tax revenue from tobacco] - Tobacco Manufacturers Association</ref> for a total of £12.1bn. Health care spending (including spending on the likes of [[Alcohol Concern]], [[ASH]], and homoeopathy<ref>[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/8330749/Homeopathy-still-being-funded-on-NHS.html Homeopathy still being funded on NHS] - The Telegraph</ref>) was £121.3bn for 2011<ref>[http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/total_spending_2011UKbn Total Public Spending Expenditure 2011] - UK Public Spending</ref>

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 === from 6pm 27 October 2021 ===
-Excise on tobacco in the UK for will be<ref>[https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/rates-and-allowances-excise-duty-tobacco-duty/excise-duty-tobacco-duty-rates] - HMRC Oct '21 [https://archive.ph/wip/nYcYq](arcive.is)</ref> equal to 16.5% of the (pre-excise, pre-tax) retail price '''plus''' an equivalent £262.90 per 1,000 cigarettes (£5.258 per 20.) On top of this 20% VAT is charged. On a £9.75 packet of Pall Mall Shift Blue Kingsize from Tesco for example, the net cost is £1.17 Excise £6.41 and VAT £1.63 for a total tax-take of £8.03 (82%):
+Excise on tobacco in the UK for will be<ref>[https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/rates-and-allowances-excise-duty-tobacco-duty/excise-duty-tobacco-duty-rates] - HMRC Oct '21 [[archive.is | https://archive.ph/wip/nYcYq]]</ref> equal to 16.5% of the (pre-excise, pre-tax) retail price '''plus''' an equivalent £262.90 per 1,000 cigarettes (£5.258 per 20.) On top of this 20% VAT is charged. On a £9.75 packet of Pall Mall Shift Blue Kingsize from Tesco for example, the net cost is £1.17 Excise £6.41 and VAT £1.63 for a total tax-take of £8.03 (82%):
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 | £8.00||£1.333||£6.667||£4.292||£2.374||£5.626||70%
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 === 2020/2020 from Nov 2020 ===
-* Flat excise duty of £244.78 per 1000 cigarettes.
+* Flat excise duty of £244.78 per 1000 cigarettes.<ref>[https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/rates-and-allowances-excise-duty-tobacco-duty/excise-duty-tobacco-duty-rates  Tobacco Products Duty rates, Updated 13 November 2020], GOV.UK [https://web.archive.org/web/20201209085821/https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/rates-and-allowances-excise-duty-tobacco-duty/excise-duty-tobacco-duty-rates archive.org]</ref>
 * Excise rate of 16.50%
 * Absolute minimum excise of £320.90 per 1000 cigarettes
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 | £15.00||£2.50||£12.50||£2.06||£4.90||£6.96||£6.96||£5.54||£9.46||63.05%||171%
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 === 2017/2018 ===

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 == Cost to the NHS ==
 Another claim is that smokers cost the NHS, and that they should pay extra for their habit. Ignoring the fact that they already do.
 === 2017/2018 ===
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 * Excise rate of 16.50%
 * VAT rate of 20%
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 Would thousands of people who clean the streets of litter suddenly find themselves unemployed?
-Or would Blackburn and Darwin council be deprived of a further £617,000/yr of income?
+Or would Blackburn and Darwin council/[[Kingdom Environmental Services]] be deprived of a further £617,000/yr of income?
 {{quote|1= I fired off an FOI request to B&D council and asked exactly what they had issued ''[£75]'' fines for in the last six months.
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-If it was just about litter, if it was only about 'taking back the streets for law abiding citizens', why would Kingdom also be involved in enforcing smoking bans in indoor spaces and vehicles?<ref>[https://fuelinjectedmoose.blogspot.co.uk/2018/05/kingdom-environmental-services-another.html Kingdom Environmental Services - Another Attack on Smokers?] - The Moose blog</ref>
+If it was just about litter, if it was only about 'taking back the streets for law abiding citizens', why would [[Kingdom Environmental Services|Kingdom]] also be involved in enforcing smoking bans in indoor spaces and vehicles?<ref>[[Kingdom Environmental Services|Kingdom]] [https://fuelinjectedmoose.blogspot.co.uk/2018/05/kingdom-environmental-services-another.html - Another Attack on Smokers?] - The Moose blog</ref>
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 == Cost to the NHS ==
 Another claim is that smokers cost the NHS, and that they should pay extra for their habit. Ignoring the fact that they already do.

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	Income for 2011/12 (the year prior to these figures) were £9.5bn from Excise and £2.6bn from VAT<ref>[http://www.the-tma.org.uk/tma-publications-research/facts-figures/tax-revenue-from-tobacco/ Tax revenue from tobacco] - Tobacco Manufacturers Association</ref> for a total of £12.1bn. Health care spending (including spending on the likes of [[Alcohol Concern]], [[ASH]], and homoeopathy<ref>[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/8330749/Homeopathy-still-being-funded-on-NHS.html Homeopathy still being funded on NHS] - The Telegraph</ref>) was £121.3bn for 2011<ref>[http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/total_spending_2011UKbn Total Public Spending Expenditure 2011] - UK Public Spending</ref>		Income for 2011/12 (the year prior to these figures) were £9.5bn from Excise and £2.6bn from VAT<ref>[http://www.the-tma.org.uk/tma-publications-research/facts-figures/tax-revenue-from-tobacco/ Tax revenue from tobacco] - Tobacco Manufacturers Association</ref> for a total of £12.1bn. Health care spending (including spending on the likes of [[Alcohol Concern]], [[ASH]], and homoeopathy<ref>[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/8330749/Homeopathy-still-being-funded-on-NHS.html Homeopathy still being funded on NHS] - The Telegraph</ref>) was £121.3bn for 2011<ref>[http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/total_spending_2011UKbn Total Public Spending Expenditure 2011] - UK Public Spending</ref>
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		+	In 2017 <ref>[https://iea.org.uk/publications/smoking-and-the-public-purse/ Smoking and the Public Purse] - iea</ref> excise was estimated to be £10.7bn and VAT £2.1bn for a total of £12.8bn.